This all sounds good, but what ideas do you have if as parents we've disciplined, sent them to counseling and rehab in their teen years pretty much to no avail. I'm admittedly codependent and am in counseling so this has helped me begin to set boundries. However, we have two 19 year olds and this generation on up into late 20's just don't have the maturity we did to get their act together so to speak and grow up. They've been kicked out, but still don't do anything to help themselves.